This is an episode of Design Matters featuring Fixable hosts Anne Morriss and Frances Frei. You'll receive a deep dive into the lives of them both, learning how they became the influential leaders they are today, as well as their process writing their new book, Move Fast and Fix Things. Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world's very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Find Design Matters wherever you get your podcasts.