On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross Douthat interviews Vice President JD Vance about the Trump administration’s deportations, the tariff backlash and how Vance’s faith influences his politics.

• 01:49 - How faith shapes JD Vance’s politics
• 04:26 - ‘Papal interventions in politics’
• 14:44 - How will the Trump administration measure success on immigration?
• 21:22 - ‘The courts are trying to overturn the will of the American people’
• 23:55 - Are migrants really at war against the US?
• 28:48 - The parallels between the War on Terror and Trump's deportation policies
• 40:29 - What does a successful trade policy look like?
• 48:10 - The "big, beautiful bill"
• 58:57 - Does the Trump administration expect the AI revolution will take jobs?
• 54:05 - What worries Vance about AI
• 58:33 - JD Vance's message to shocked Trump voters

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) 

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