
Donald Trump and JD Vance have sparked panic over immigration in Springfield, Ohio. This week, the hosts talk about why our country’s immigration debate is now focused on a distraction instead of the core of the issue.
Plus, Ross is hot and cold about a particular pet obsession.
(A full transcript of this episode will be available within 24 hours of publication on the Times website.)
Recommended in this episode:
- "Trump Has Crossed a Truly Unacceptable Line" by Lydia Polgreen
- "What JD Vance Believes" by Ross Douthat
- “How the Trump Campaign Ran With Rumors About Pet-Eating Migrants — After Being Told They Weren’t True” by Kris Maher, Valerie Bauerlein and Tawnell D. Hobbs in The Wall Street Journal
- The Real ‘Border Czar’ Defends the Biden-Harris Record, “The Ezra Klein Show”
- “Go West” by Lily Lynch in The Baffler
- “Melting Pot or Civil War? A Son of Immigrants Makes the Case Against Open Borders” by Reihan Salam
- “Chimp Crazy" on HBO
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