Cyber warfare is played out in the shadows, never declared and never attributed. But, as the General in charge of Nato's cyber operations tells Tom, the west is fighting what amounts to a war on a daily basis. Patrick agrees, recalling his time as Commander of UK Cyber operations, an experience he likens to living under a 'digital Blitz.' 

Host: General Sir Patrick Sanders & Tom Newton Dunn

Guest: Turkish Brigadier General Ümit Ersoy

Photo: NATO 

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